Detective: Okay, uh, well, that’s, these are the kinds of things I’m trying to draw out here. Trying to get the cat and uh, I’m not quite sure why she uh, came over to me. Detective: No? Russell Williams: Yeah, and the video camera. Detective: Okay, um, not too much here, Russ. Got her dressed into the, uh, family room and anyway she um, she recovered. You know, in a restaurant that we would expect to be able to frequent, uh, once the house was finished. SMYTH: okay um if there’s anything that comes up in our interview today Russell that uh that you feel you want Just a few details that I wanted to cover off and specifically dealing with Marie-France. Russell Williams: I do, yeah. Friday on the day I was at home most the time, most the day. I’m sure it spread like wild fire. Detective: Okay, so while you’re with Marie-France, what kind of conversations are taking place, you anything in she said to stick out in your mind? Russell Williams: Because she was, uh, you know, quite aggressive. Russell Williams: As I said, across the gravel little roadway probably and it’s probably the same road…. Detective: Okay so what happened that night? It does, however, provide insight into the interview process. Russell Williams: Um, some in the camera bag, which they would have found in my office. Heydon, 2011), and so its treatment in an official transcript matters. Detective: Um, uh, the uh, military’s certainly been of great assistance uh, to us. Detective: Okay. Detective: Okay and that’s the reason why everything’s recorded…, Detective: …because there can’t be a more accurate record than that, right? Any condoms used or anything like that? Detective: Alright, um, okay, Marie-France, uh, Comeau. official Ontario Provincial Police transcript. I was a project director when I was here in Ottawa for that so just some follow up stuff on that. Uh, you know we tend to hopscotch them across, uh, until they get in the theater. Detective: Okay, is that based on her schedule or, or how it, how would you know that? Detective: Okay, um, where were you when that first vehicle pulled up? Detective: Okay, um, so I want you to rack your brain here. Detective: Is Jessica somewhere we can find her easily? She had boyfriend and hadn’t seemed to be, hadn’t been around so [sigh] you know, um, looked in the window and she was alone. Oh, there it is, there. Detective: And uh, they have contacts in the tire business, obviously. Detective: When you went to Marie-France’s house. Was there any? Detective: Uh, kidnapping, uh, sexual assault…, Detective: Uh, break and enter with intent to commit sexual assault…, Detective: Uh, forcible confinement, okay? Detective: Okay and where are those 2 pieces now, the pieces that you wore on the head? I really don’t think it benefits you or makes you look any better to start debating the little issues. Detective: Um, do you have your own lawyer? The coronavirus pandemic has left the future of the UK high street more uncertain than ever before. Russell Williams: Oh, I took her sheets off the bed and ran them through the laundry. Russell Williams: That’s just the way I am. Finished, I don’t know, mid afternoon or so. Detective: Okay, what do the boxes look like? [sighs] Um, is there anything you can think of… Let’s go talk about Marie-Fances Comeau for a minute, okay? Russell Williams: Um, well, sometimes in as in, in Marie-France’s case, in her house [sigh]. DC: How would I get to see evidence of your qualification? Russell Williams: Uh, well as I described I think, I, uh, pushed her on the bed. Detective: So, you waited or you get up from that and what happens. Um, what other type of cleaning things like that, did you do anything else to kind of cover your tracks that you can think of? Russell Williams: I don’t remember that, no. Detective:  Now that you’ve had some time to, uh, and I know we’ve been throwing a lot of things at you here but now you’ve had some time to, to think about things, um, is there anything, uh, that you’re concerned about, uh, that Buccal swab matching in any of those four residences. We’re going back 2 months. Detective: Okay, alright. Detective: Is any of the underwear in those boxes belong to anyone other than Marie-France or uh, or Jessica? Detective: Are they like, sports emblems or company emblems or…, Russell Williams: Uh, it’s the manufacturer’s…. Detective: Um, is there, I guess, let me explain what I’m getting at here Russell. Whether it’s you or whether it’s anybody else, alright? I’m hoping this might have better parameters for you. Russell Williams: This is the closest to interview for NIS for top secret clearance. Russell Williams: I don’t think that was issued. That’s it. And uh, very much like I described a little but ago. Detective: And the 2 women from September? Do you go to bed or…? I don’t know her last name. Russell Williams: No, this is sort of a quarterly. Detective: Um, so what we’re going to do is we’re going to go over a number of things and uh…. Clothed initially and then unclothed. I was in Ottawa for uh, um, a set of meetings on one of the days, I can’t remember what, what day of the week we’re talking about but uh, yeah, no, I mean, obviously one of your people gets killed it, uh, gets your attention, so…. Russell Williams: So, um, I’ll just brief in the morning. Detective: I don’t know yet, I don’t know what the result is yet. Have you received any recognisable qualifications? You’re just another, um, and again, don’t take this the wrong way, okay, but you can see if you step outside this room in your mind, and imagine how people are going to view you, okay? Footwear impressions are very much like, uh, like fingerprint comparisons, Okay? You should keep these two things separate in the transcript. Russell Williams: The blue headband has something, uh, you know, stitched. So anyway, I, I can’t remember which trip it was but uh, I did a number of them out to Edmonton just to, to pick up the troops, bring them to Trenton, and then uh, put a fresh crew on and uh, ‘cause we fly out and back in the same day so pushing the edge of that uh, fresh crew on and continue on after a couple hour delay. Russell Williams: Side window, the, uh, was not locked. Didn’t but um, was bleeding a little bit. The others in my house. I’ll be right back. Of your degree? Russell Williams: Well, only because I wasn’t at the Base. Now let’s get back to the issue. Russell Williams: Um, I was looking to see who was, who was where, don’t know that area very well so I was keeping my eyes open. Detective: Okay, any recent, uh, renovations? Russ, you’re doing the right thing here, okay? Detective: Okay, so you leave her house three-ish. What time did you get there at, do you remember? Detective: Okay, how do you feel about what you’ve done? Okay, um, see her on the Wednesday night, right? Russell Williams: I had met Marie-France that one time in the, in our airplane. Russell Williams: Uh, that morning and I drove in that morning…. I want, I don’t want you confused between home in Ottawa and the home in Tweed, so. Morrison: Well no I didn't study in California. I came in here a few hours ago and I called you the way I called you today because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt…. It's just for me, you know making my head bigger. Russell Williams: Which are blank but I’m sure they can be re, uh…. Detective: Um, did you take anything out of Marie-Frances’ house or Jessica Lloyd’s house? Russell Williams: So the first, uh, the first one of them, I just spotted her from her boat actually and I got into the house while she was uh, asleep. Detective: … um, for us to get DNA match the sample we had to find was, um, you know, probably would’ve filled half of on of these cups. Not quite. Detective: And um, then what happens after that? Detective: What color of duct tape are we talking about? Detective: Does that make sense? Russell Williams:  I’m not sure. Detective: Okay, um, now by the time she’s tied to that pole, is that in the very initial few minutes kind of thing, of the confrontation or? Detective: Okay, so as I said before, any point today, uh, you feel the need you want to speak to a lawyer, uh, you let me know. Correct me if I’m wrong but…. Detective: Okay so she’s recovered from that. Russell Williams: Um, a sweatshirt and Dockers, I guess and the, um, 2 pieces on my head. Russell Williams: Well the night before I went to Ottawa so, I think that was Monday night. Detective: Okay, so you go in, she’s sleeping and what do you do? Please tell me, what made you end up in this profession of being a policewoman? Detective: Um, I’m just trying to understand like, why her versus you know, the dozens of other women you’ve probably come across. Detective: How could you hear her from the backyard, what was uh…. What are you going to do? Detective: Okay. Um, okay, what kind of tires do you have on your Pathfinder? A case summary can be found here. Morrison: I have a form of degree but the form of degree is not a recognised degree in this country. Because I like studying, I like to do things. Interview with a Police Officer. See if it rings a bell… You ever heard of uh, does Toyo Open Country HTS…. Russell Williams: Then I took her upstairs. Uh, don’t need those. Probably just, you know, went in for, just before bed. Russell Williams: Uh, I cut off Jessica’s top with a knife ‘cause her hands were tied behind her back. Ever been in her house? Detective: So, was this the matter, you take and later go back and, and then at some point looking around and take pictures…What about Jessica’s underwear? This node provides an example interview transcript. Detective: [laughs] alright, ‘Cause and essentially that’s what I’m looking at is that, uh…, Detective: Um, uh, you seem like a very intelligent person, and I think you can see how, um, a surprise like that would, uh, certainly…, Detective: … send some alarm bells on an…. I understand. Detective: Well, uh [inaudible] Russell, that’s one of the reasons we’re here on a Sunday afternoon. Russell Williams: So I had been here, um, at some point in that week. Detective: Do you remember what order those occurred in? That’s helpful to us. Detective: Okay, and what did you use to tie her up? Russell Williams: Well, again, because of the pictures kind of, as I described to you it would’ve, um, it was going to be a pretty straight line back to Tweed. Do we talk? I could hear her through the walls that she was on the phone. Detective: Russ, what are you looking for? Detective: Alright, this is the footwear impression of the person who approached the rear of Jessica Lloyd’s house…. There’s no conversation. Detective: Yeah, alright, um, okay. Detective: Okay, so you go in and uh, you’re in her house figuring out she lives alone and, and, uh, do you do anything that night? Russell Williams: Well, she died and I, um, then took the duct tape off her head and put her on the bed and covered her up with the duvet. 60 pieces of their’s. I mean the, that can be very helpful for us…. Detective: Okay, so then what did you do? Detective: Okay, uh, you talked about the idea that, uh, um, you know, you, well I think hopefully you appreciate the fact of how we approached you here. I mean, I, I believe that this night at this restaurant it was following the meetings in Ottawa…, Russell Williams: …and I, you know, kissed my wife goodbye and headed back to Tweed…. Detective: Okay, the headband and the uh, the cap. It’s a boat, boat rope. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Russell Williams: Can’t remember if it was me or my wife that paid but one of us. I, uh, I told her I wasn’t going to hurt her. What, what, uh, what’s your, sort of, plan at that point? Russell Williams: So certainly at the time the OPP did a, uh, went door to door…. Um, couple other, uh, fairly simple and straight forward, uh, things that uh, you probably understand but, uh, again we go over them to make sure everybody’s clear…. Russell Williams: Well, no, I just turned off my Blackberry before I left the Trenton area. I rely on the experts. Russell Williams: [inhales deeply]  Oh, then we had a little lie down right there because she was obviously exhausted. Russell Williams: ‘Cause uh, you know, this would have a very significant impact on the Base if they thought you thought I did this. Detective: Okay, um, when these, when these pictures uh, are looked at, um, you talked about being in Marie-France’s underwear on the first night, you went in. So, uh, those are some of the issues I want to discuss with you. Russell Williams: [sigh] No, I’m struggling with how upset my wife is right now. Russell Williams: [deeply inhale] um, well, I had turned off my Blackberry before I left Trenton. Detective: So, we backtrack then. Russell Williams: I don’t know, you know, I, you know, I went out there when she wasn’t home just to see where she lived and…. I think uh, my wife and I had dinner ‘cause she was here for work and then I headed back. I mean, obviously there’s a huge search still under way and it will continue, it will continue until her body’s found. I, um, started with the oral sex, then I raped her. I can’t recall exactly but uh, yeah, nothing. It just doesn’t happen. Um, you know, she had a, a young baby just uh, next door. Detective: Did you go by your house in Tweed or anything or do you just go straight home? Detective: And how did you know Marie-France Comeau? Have you ever visited uh, um, Marie-France Comeau at her residence? Detective: Okay, and then on the uh, the following days, uh, the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, um, there was what appeared to be average activity of…. Detective: Okay. Detective: Alright, um, I’ve had uh, you were talking about the, the whole idea of the MP’s, uh, helping us with our investigation…, Detective: … stuff like this. on her treadmill. Russell Williams: Yeah. Detective: Okay, and cooperative can mean a number of different things. I was…. Detective: What about anybody else’s underwear? Detective: Do you remember her saying anything to you? Uh, one inch is just slightly smaller than an actual inch. Morrison: I have a PHD but it's not recognised here. Detective: What happened to the ejaculate? Our client base consists of professionals from diverse disciplines, such as businessmen, lawyers, authors, journalists, students, researchers, recruiters, multimedia professionals, police, etc. Russell Williams: Well, I can’t remember what again, what day that, uh, the message came in. Probably running shoes. Russell Williams: It was soon after I got to the base so uh, I, I don’t remember exactly but I would say in the first couple of months so August, September. Russell Williams: No, no. Russell Williams: I said lie down on your tummy. police interview context (see e.g. She was sleeping in her, um, not in her bedroom but her, you know, in front of the TV, very much the same story. Detective: Okay. It was 2 hours in bed but there wasn’t much sleep. Russell Williams: …it’s, it’s slightly different schedule she has but that’s probably how I knew. That’s, that footwear is actually bigger. 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